Here we have finally get a few admissioons from a sheep in
regards to the "belief" and "faith" as valid
"proof".....Enjoy!!!!
texas_tech_red_raider_fan:Well, I tried. squirrel624: i got booted again
texas_tech_red_raider_fan:Good day to you squirrel624: damn booters
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Oh, I am sorry. I can relate
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: So did I
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I was saying, about the antigravity
device you say you have squirrel624: the bastard is ghosting now....
squirrel624: please continue
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: You say you have one, I can say "Yeah,
right" squirrel624: yes
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: The same as you might say about my
claim to Jesus squirrel624: yes squirrel624: but, saying prove it does not exist, is not a
valid line of reasoning.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Now, without showing you proof of this,
it is difficult to believ and I agree with that from a secular
stand point squirrel624: the theistic standpoint offers nothing concrete,
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: But, I have faith in what I believe
and that is how I know. I wish there was a way that was easier
to explain it. squirrel624: just "faith" and personal experience
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: True
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Yes squirrel624: which are not able to establish the objective
truth.
squirrel624: only a "belief" that cannot be juistified
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I have to agree with you on that
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Yes, it is like belief in Santa Claus
and the Easter Bunny, I know squirrel624: true
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Let me ask you, did you as a kid believe
in Santa Claus? squirrel624: yes, till i learned things and gained knowledge
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Why, before you learned otherwise? squirrel624: well, at first i believed ...
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Why? squirrel624: one, my parents told me he was real, there were
"proofs"... there was toys under the tree, santa visited
the house... thing like that
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Yes
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: And did you at one time believe in
God and Jesus and all that? squirrel624: yes
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Why did you? squirrel624: in part for the same reasons, i was told he was
real, i saw the "proofs" and all that, but with the
gaining of knowledge, i saw it differently, and realized it was
the same a santa, save, santa came to my house, but it turned
out that it was just a person dressed as santa....
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Let me tell you how I became saved
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I was there in the world where I sinned
more than I do now
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I lived for myself
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: But, I was continuously faced with
myself. Like my conscience was grabbing at me squirrel624: okay
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I did not like what I saw in myself. squirrel624: okay
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: In 1999, I came to realize that it
was more than a conscience that was talking to me
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I walked into a bookstore and saw a
book there squirrel624: really? so how would you prove this to be true?
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Yes, it was fiction, but it was interesting
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Hang on, I am getting there
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I bought the book and read it. It was
a Christian fiction story about the end times squirrel624: okay
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: When I read it, it was like reading
my life squirrel624: okay
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I became fearful of what this book
said, especially when I looked it up with the Bible. I was surprised
that it was there and what the oucome would be squirrel624: i am following you.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: that is outcome squirrel624: so you believed out of fear?
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: To be honest, yes
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: At first squirrel624: either it was fear based, or not..plus, I can
say the exact same things as you did above but with the difference
in the religion chosen in the end..why do you get to be right?
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I was raised in the Mormon religion
and never knew what I read in that book
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: When I went to the Bishop about these
questions, I was mocked (in a way). I was told that because I
was Mormon I had nothing to worry about and that which I learned
was blasphemous squirrel624: okay....
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: So, I studied further for truth about
their claims squirrel624: and found them lacking?
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I found out that they were wrong and
that the Mormon religion was all man-based
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: yes squirrel624: okay, i found the same thing about christianity..
they were wrong and man made.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: So, I attacked them openly one Sunday
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Where do you think they are wrong specifically
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: ? squirrel624: well...that would take far toooo long to go into
here, but historically the bible is not accurate in all things,
some of the doctrines are man made like the trintiy.... squirrel624: like i said, i think the bible is not a reliable
book, it contains errors about many many things, squirrel624: and is nothing but propaganda....as admitted to
in the book of john.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Hmmmm...
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: That puts me at a stand
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Standstill
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: COming to a conclusion on this is indeed
puzzling for me squirrel624: well... it is basically the same thing you did
with mormonism...
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Well, Squirrel, I have to look into
this and pray about it. Maybe I can answer that one better. To
say I am at a loss of words is an understatement. I know I should
be better prepared squirrel624: yes..it helps.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Well, I am sorry that I could not help
proving anything. But, I hope you do find it squirrel624: also, it shows that the same thing happens to
all people, and yet they have trouble understanding it all.. squirrel624: you cannot grasp it when it deals with your "truth"
yet it was valid and acceptable when you left mormonism.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Well, that brings to mind about intelligence.
God has the infinte wisdom. Man has the finite wisdom and must
settle with our limited ways squirrel624: well then you are bound to same finite wisdom
i am bound too, why should i trust your wisdom?
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: To understand God's Truth, we have
to rely on Him in that squirrel624: and you could be wrong entirely since gods wisdom
cannot be agreed upon by all christians.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I am not asking that you should
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Maybe. But, I hope not squirrel624: i know
squirrel624: at least you can admit that.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: I admit I am human
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Well, it has been a pleasure trying,
freind, but I yeild. I pray somebody does better than myself squirrel624: okay.
texas_tech_red_raider_fan: Good bye squirrel624: you did a lot batter than batmobilefreek could
ever do...
squirrel624: take care.
